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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:55 pm 
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Well there are a few things i'd like to discuss, first off, the whole "All American Girl" segments from Michelle McCool on WWE.com....could this be a new gimmick for Michelle? Maybe even a little push?

It seems to me, much like Ashley and Candice, WWE wants to make a star of this girl.....if not i don't think they would be putting so much input on creating a character for her. The kept her after 2 injury's, about a year of no TV time.....and out of all the DS girls, she was the only one they actually sent down to DSW full time, Maria went there part time, while Candice and Ashley didn't. Then again Stephanie was never high on Michelle in the first place....i guess only time will tell.

And onto my next one, Maria, now i'm not saying move this girl to ECW because she isn't a good wrestler, i say put her there since i think there she fits in better. Now we all know Maria can't wrestler, but i really enjoyed the few little catfights she had down in OVW. (with Melina and with Sosay) and come on on ECW girls don't need any skills at all.

Secondly She knows how to take big bumps, so maybe we might see some kick ass bumps from her in ECW since the most interesting bump any woman on ECW has takes since it came back was from kelly Kelly.

Lets face it, back in the day paul heyman was never big on women's wrestling but when you look at the top stars in ECW and all the top matches their was always a woman standing in the corner.

ECW was always about the women since it alway got the guys over. We've seen Maria take bumps from male superstars before so placing her in ECW pairing her up with a guy would be the best thing for her IMO...if she isn't going to be remembered for her lack of wrestling skills atleast let her be remembered as a good valet in the WWECW.

Well that the only 2 things i had on my mind lately.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:00 am 
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Not to sure about Stephanie, but I'd say most people behind the scenes (or at least someone with power) seems to be high on Michelle McCool. She is home grown talent and WWE loves that. She is coming along on the ring, as well as on the mic. Dispite a few set backs, she continues to make progress and thats a good thing. I think her mini feud with Jillian was more of a test than anything else. WWE gave Michelle little to work with but she took it and ran. Her pops were not mind blowing but they started to get good. Thus she passed.

WWE now finds themselves in and odd situation. They've got this little gem on their hands but they know full well that they can not just toss her a random character. So they are giving her something simple...something more Michelle. They are taking Michelle's sweet personality and making that her character. She is, after all, the all american girl. This is similar to the role Stacy played for a while.

I think its perfect for Michelle too. As she grows and imporves, eventually her character will be tweeked. but as for now, shes not ready to be the main focus anyway...let her stay in Torrie's shadow for a while and then when its time to really push her, she'll be ready.

Onto Maria...Maria would be find on RAW behind a microphone or on Santino's arm but as long as WWE uses her in the ladies divison, it does not work. I don't care if they use her randomly, regularly or just in squash matches...it does not work. She need be in ECW or basically just away from the ladies division. Kiwi-Kevin pointed out many a reason why she'd be better off there. I think she would have done great in the old ECW, she'd fit right in, in the new one


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:06 am 
michelle is already a much better wrestler than all the ds girls by far. she could easily make a good match with the likes of melina, victoria etc. she was one of the only diva searc girls who put alot of effort into learning wrestling from the beginning.


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I think this is a cool thread. A mod of this section should sticky it and anyone can just come along and post any random thought regarding the divas up for discussion.

Like Dee said, Michelle is one of the WWE's girls. The gave her all the tools neccessary to succeed and now that she is making some headway (obviously in the direction of ring work) they're gaining more faith in her. I too think they want her to succeed and they want to make a star outta her just like Candice, Ashley, and the direction Christy was headed.

As far as Maria goes... the WWE can release her for all I care. She has her uses. She is very over and she could help a male talent struggling to get over (Like Santino) out very much. But she cant wrestle and she is progressing far to slow for them to push her as if she has potential. She needs to be kept out of the division and generally out of the ring. When she wrestles it needs to be storyline related and her work needs to be kept basic and the match needs to center on the story moreso than the manuevers. ECW, SD!, RAW...it doesnt matter to me. I just dont want to see her wrestle. Managing/valeting, working some storylines to get talent over, or simply just interviewing is all I want to see Maria doing.

Speaking of valeting/managing...would anyone else like to see Mickie taken out of the division to do some managerial work/storylines? I think taking a break from the division and showing her flexibility would do well for her career. At different points Trish and Lita stepped outside the division and worked as managers and it really helped them out. It helped develop more of thier characters and working alongside male talent helped them get over into the big leagues. In TNA, working alongside Raven with the Gathering was a cool program for her. The WWE originally had intentions of debuting her as a manager for CM Punk. I think it would be interesting to pull Mickie out of the division for a while and let girls like Melina, Candice, Jillian and a new face diva such as Shantelle or Beth have thier shine.

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I'm actually not a huge fan of Michelle. I find her improvements to be nice, especially when she came back from her injury... but sometimes I wish they could take her in ring talents and give it to Ashley. Ashley entertains me, Michelle just bores me most times. Though she has been getting better. Baby steps, but I don't think she'll ever be a star. But she has great atheletic ability and that may be able to get her over. Because she is probably the best wrestler of all the DS girls and of all ther recent valets to turn wrestlers. I already find her more impressive than Torrie Wilson.

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Another thing bugging me is ms. Maryse, she has only made 1 in ring appearance...the only thing she did other then her "Welcome To Smackdown" Promo's...they use her for so many things on WWE.com..but yet they don't use her on TV?. I mean, if smackdown was so good, don't you think you'd be watching it insted of welcoming us to it??

Dunno, maybe WWE is just trying to get her name out there, much like Candice "Oh that's the Go Daddy Girl"..maybe maryse will be.."Oh that's the "Welcome to Smackdown girl"...dunno what their trying, but IMO wasting valuable time.

Also....am i the only one who is missing backstage segments and Promo's?
The quality of fueds just continue to drop due to the lack of segment IMO, most people don't follow the WWE blogs, That's what brought down the Michelle-Jillian feud...and it's going to bring down the fueds to come.....That's why i'm not expecting much of this Victoria-Torrie Feud...they always start in a segments...we get a few matches..and tons of blogs on WWE.com which probably 25% of the fans read.

I just miss the interviews, brawls, segments, in ring mic time, arm wrestling matches.......lately it's just matches and post match segments...that's it.

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Same here. I miss them. Feuds aren't beefed up anymore. Thta's why I'm hoping maybe Candice has an interview on RAW tomorrow with the king in the ring about being the champion and Melina comes down and challengers her and they have a huge catfight. I miss that stuff! That's what made the PPV's so interesting to buy. There's no need in buying them because you can end up seeing the match on another episode of RAW.

Maryse, it's a shame they don't use her more often. She has the look and some talent. I think she could be good as an occasional wrestler. Her welcome to Smackdown shit is just stupid. I think Maryse would do well in a Paris Hilton style gimmick, she looks just like her with her hair bunched up!

Michelle, see I like her but there's something about her that doesn't stand out. She's stale. Yes, she is one of few divas who can wrestle from the DS but she has nothing that interests me, besides looks! I am unsure of her at this time. I need to see more. I just can't see her making it to the top or ecoming championship material, but I did never see Candcie becoming champ, despite how much I love her!

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I think sending Maria to ECW would be good. She's over and she could help some of the superstars there to get over. She can be an arm candy there. I find that Maria kinda resembles Beulah at times, can't really explain :lol:.

I don't really find this "all american girl" gimmick that Michelle has is interesting. No doubt that she's a talent, but she needs to exhibit more personalities. I think that she needs to improve her speaking skills. I feel that she don't have the star power.

For Mickie, I think that it'll be good if she manage someone, it'll definitely put her and the other guy over but I don't think that the time is right yet, maybe 1 more year down the road first?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:05 am 
does anyone else miss the old days where you had divas wrestling males and having 6-man intergender tag matches.
i think ashley with londrick vs deuce, domino and cherry could pull of the classic team extreme vs T&A with trish feud. it wouldnt be as good, but londrick with ashley has similar styles to team extreme and the same with deuce domino and cherry. if ashley has really improved when she comes back, this could easily lead to a womens title reign for her.


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I don't mind Maria being used in the ring. As long as it's only every once in a awhile, which is what they tend to be doing now. I'd prefer her to be used as a spare part rather than anything else, just to make up the numbers in battle royals.

As for Maryse I'm also confused as to why she is doing little to nothing now. There are two possibilities.

1. She is training and the vignettes are to keep her fresh in people's minds.

2. The WWE isn't really interested in giving her a role right now.

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I guess you can say, Michelle McCool is one of WWE's 'girls' and that's a good term. They're turning her into a good tool to use, but I think this is to put Michelle over when there's nobody else left, and I think Michelle has been one of the Diva Search girls that could build an easy fan base with the gimmick she's been given, and I think she's playing it real well. It's funny too, because Stephanie McMahon wasn't so high on her but I believe if Michelle continues to be written down this route she could definitely be a top diva, or a top player in the Women's Division and I really wanted her to be one of the girls to get drafted, simply because she could've been great use to the RAW brand and when Candice did lose her title, and another face needed to be booked to win, Michelle could've easily been one of the girls.

Maria, she's instantly something boring to me and I don't care if they'd release her, or trade her to ECW. She's easily not anything useful - And if she was sent to ECW, it'd be better for her because she wouldn't have a heavy schedule, she'd be around CM and she could interview and she could have interesting segments without having to do the thing she's not all that great at - Wrestling.

I could say, Maryse would be one of the only marketable Diva Search girls if they continue to do this 'Welcome to Smackdown' thing but instead they should have her promote some merchandise during the shows - I believe that if they could make her 'Smackdown's Showgirl' like maybe it'd be better if in the middle of the shows, she could show some T-Shirts, and stuff, and what not. That way she'd be really used, she could work on her microphone skills and especially since she's training down in OVW put her in occasional dark matches or put her in house show matches with Victoria, or make her team with McCool to take on Victoria, or keep her in OVW. Maryse could be a quite marketable diva, especially since she's got great looks, and she's definitely somebody that doesn't have to try hard to be ?.

The feuds aren't beefed up anymore, and I think if they were fans would be much more interested in them and they wouldn't have to push divas, to the point to stick them down the divas throats. Candice wasn't pushed down their throats, but she's been definitely seen to me as sometimes been tried too hard to get recognized with the fans and I think the best thing would be for her, well WWE to start booking more interviews, like Candice should get interviewed, or they should have more In Ring segments where Melina calls out Candice, and instead of your occasional tag matches we could see more backstage segments. But I think WWE doesn't have enough time for it; Because they're too busy booking John Cena every week doing the same thing, taking up 20 minutes of the beginning of RAW and overcoming the 'odds' so I guess that's what we're going to get for a while.

This was an interesting discussion, you guys should sticky this.


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Some fans (like myself) just don't like Cena anyway. No matter how much he's shoved down my throat I still won't like him. His wrestling skills are too poor. I'm still waiting for the day they pit the whole roster against him, and he miraculously overcomes the odds. They've been doing the same thing for over a year now. His theme song should be "against all odds"

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I dont know what to say about Maryse. I didnt really dig her in the DS. I dont always find her attractive (I dont think she looks too hot in her photoshoots). Her English is still pretty bad. Her work in OVW doesnt seem to show that she is catching on surprisingly fast, but it is GREAT that she is regularly training and wrestling matches there instead of on TV.

I do think that they should start using her a bit more outside of those vigenettes. I rarely catch them and b/c they're like 4-6 seconds long...I dont think anyone really notices that she is there. I like the idea of her being thier "Showgirl." Maybe even having her doing some in-ring segments where she welcomes people to SD! live.

The best thing for her is to throw her on someone's arm though. Rene Dupree and Sylvain are destined to work with Maryse. I mean really...3 people with French accents are hard to keep away from each other. I always thought that Sylvan's "Model" gimmick had potential. You see so many modeling shows on TV now I'm surprised they didnt take advantage of it. Make a modeling agency/troupe out of Sylvan, Rene, and Maryse. High class, stuck up, foreign models. Rick "the Model" Martel was one of my favs back in the day...I think it could work for all of them.

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I don't think Michelle McCool's "All American Girl" 'gimmick' will go far, or will it be any good to get her a better fan base, I do believe that she could get some what of a fan base, but theres better ways then doing the "All American Girl" vignettes, on SD. I don't think she will get far on that because Torrie is really known as the "All American Girl" on SD.

As for Maria, I don't say release her, but I do say, just let her be Santino's Arm Candy, his valet. She could get him over. I wouldn't mind seeing her accompany him to the ring, and take a bump from a guy every now & then, and who knows maybe even a Mixed tag match at times, but the match has to be booked correctly, don't let her work 90% of the match, let her get the tag maybe get into a short little catfight in the middle of the ring, then let her, tag herself out.

I do agree with Dameon, I wouldn't mind seeing Mickie valet/manage. As he said, both Trish Stratus & Lita have managed, at different points and their careers. The problem with I don't see a guy on the roster that she would "mesh well" with.

I do miss the segments, interviews, etc etc, for the Women. Remember Victoria & Trish's feud, I'm starting to think that we'll never get another feud like that. I read somewhere that they don't have time, and yes that's true they have shove The Unstoppable John Cena down our throats every show.

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Some fans (like myself) just don't like Cena anyway. No matter how much he's shoved down my throat I still won't like him. His wrestling skills are too poor. I'm still waiting for the day they pit the whole roster against him, and he miraculously overcomes the odds. They've been doing the same thing for over a year now. His theme song should be "against all odds"


Cena, let's talk about being overrated. BIG TIME. I am so sick of him. I wish that he would like get injured or something because he's there every week and takes over the show. He can't wrestle that well at all and I find him boring. He does the same stuff every week!

Good news is, he won't be there tonight, or at least that's what they're saying, he's doing Larry King tonight about the Benoit stuff.

Maryse and Sylvan and Dupree= perfect. She would go so well with them. She's french and she'd be perfect for getting them over. Last time I heard, Dupree is supended for drugs or something!

I am hoping for an interview with Candice tonight by the King. The nMelina comes out and tells her it should be her getting the attention and that it should be her who is the champion and not Candice. Then they challenge each other and FIGHT! All kinds of referees and staff come out to stop it, that would be classic and would beef up the feud.

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