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Bobby Between The Ropes: The WWE Divas and the Uncomfortable Subject of Race
Posted on Sunday, September 13th, 2015
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The news broke this week that the next NXT Takeover special will feature an Iron Man match as its main event. Or should I say – an Iron *Woman* match. That’s right; for the first time in WWE history, a women’s match will main event a PPV. Three years ago, that idea would have been unthinkable. Many of the company’s former Divas were asked if they ever thought a female match would main event a PPV. The answer was usually resounding no. But with the sudden success of the NXT women’s division and a collective boom for women’s wrestling in general – most fan opinion is ‘about damn time’. But there was something that was nagging at the back of my brain that I’d also like to talk about, with regards to the WWE’s women. It was sparked by some of the comments on this very site. Originally I was just going to post a lengthy reply but I got thinking. And what I thought of warrants an entire article to itself. So we’re going to talk about the WWE Divas and the *ahem* uncomfortable subject of race.

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Left: WWE Divas Champion Nikki Bella
Right: NXT Women’s Champion Bayley

No this article will not be about footraces that leave one with blisters and aching feet. This is about race as in ethnicity, nationality, colour etc. To start off, I’m going to ask any wrestling fan to think about something. In 1999-ish the WWE Divas brand was established. Since that time, think about the major stars among the women. Ask yourself how many of them have been women ‘of colour’ as they say. The ones that come to mind might be Jacqueline, who was a 2-time champion. Or else Jazz maybe – she held a couple of titles too. Layla? The first British Women’s Champion as well to boot. But then again, think about the Trish Stratuses, the Litas or the AJ Lees and Paiges. Yeah there have been Divas of many ethnicities over the years, and the company sports plenty of them these days. But out of all the Diva stars in the last couple of decades, they come in two types: a) Caucasian blonde or b) light-skinned Latina. There is very little middle ground. The second one is notable. Now who do you think of when you hear ‘Latina’? Michelle Rodriguez? Jennifer Lopez? Penelope Cruz? Salma Hayek? Latina women come in a variety of skin and hair colours, but the media has simplified it down as ‘dark hair, light brown skin’ – basically a dial in between white and black. Dark enough to be attractively exotic but light enough to meet the Caucasian standards of beauty. The two female titlists in WWE – Nikki Bella and Bayley – are both of Latin heritage. But is it a coincidence that this is downplayed in both cases? Nikki and her sister Brie’s Mexican background is usually ignored in favour of their Italian roots – the ring name ‘Bella’ is more obviously Italian instead of their true last name Garcia. Bayley meanwhile comes from the Bay Area of San Jose and with the real last name of Martinez. But both women are of notably lighter skin than what the general public would perceive a Latina as. Why is this a big deal, you ask?

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Left to right – Rodriguez, Hayek, Lopez & Cruz – Hollywood’s favourite Latinas

TV Tropes calls this the ‘Minority Show Ghetto’. Essentially it means that the wrestling industry is just like any other entertainment medium. It’s not just about delivering a quality product; it’s about making sure the product appeals to the widest audience possible. And the Minority Show Ghetto dictates that minorities will see something featuring majorities – but the same is not true of the reverse. To put it bluntly, black audiences will see a movie about whites – but white audiences will be alienated by something that looks as if it features too many minorities. That line of thinking is that such a show/film/book will obviously be about race or culture – and whites don’t want to see something that tells them how racist they are. Closely related is the idea that males won’t see something if it has too many females in it – fearing it might be ‘girly’ and therefore something they’ll be ridiculed about. There’s also the rather taboo subject of interracial relationships – and how rare they are in movies that aren’t about race. How true this line of thinking actually is…well that’s entirely down to you. There are countless examples that disprove it – which I’ll mention later. But like I said above, the industry wants to sell their product to the widest audience possible. Roland Emmerich had to fight like hell to get Will Smith as the lead in Independence Day, as studios wanted a white actor. Smith again faced this problem in the rom-com Hitch – where a black actress couldn’t be cast as his love interest, out of fear of alienating white audiences. Audiences would apparently have been alienated by a white love interest too, so Cuban Eva Mendes was cast as a compromise. The Jamie Chung vehicle Eden struggled to get funding because the lead was Asian-American and – according to Chung – studio executives wanted to put in a white male lead who would eventually save her. There was some controversy over the cover art of the Justine Larbalestier novel Liar. It features a black girl as its protagonist, but the first cover depicted an obviously white girl. And let’s not even get into the storm of controversy M Night Shyamalan caused with his film The Last Airbender – its TV show equivalent had leads that look to be of Inuit or Asian descent and the film cast white actors in those roles.

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The top two characters are leads and played by white actors. The bottom one is a minor character and played by a minority.

So let’s look at how this translates to the WWE. The first non-white WWE Women’s Champion was Bull Nakano in 1994 – a Japanese superstar. And the first African-American to hold the title was Jacqueline Moore in 1998. Before that, Hawaiian Leilani Kai was champion briefly. But these trail blazers unfortunately were still victims of ‘the system’. The Last Airbender example comes into play again. That film did feature minorities – playing the villainous Fire Nation. Likewise Bull Nakano, Leilani Kai and Jacqueline won their respective titles as heels. Kai’s reign was just so that Wendi Richter could win the belt back at the very first WrestleMania. In Nakano’s case, she was pushed as a monster and someone to be feared – and booed going up against the heroic blonde All-American girl Alundra Blayze. Despite these implications, Nakano still produced hard-hitting and entertaining matches. The only reason she didn’t last too long was because she was found with cocaine and quickly fired from the company. Other women were brought over from Japan, such as Aja Kong, but the women’s division was already dying before any could get a real chance. Jacqueline’s title win was less an example of WWE deciding to push a woman of colour, and rather an obstacle to overcome. Jacqueline was feuding with Sable, who was being groomed to become a star. Jacqueline held the title purely as a plot device so that Sable could eventually win it off her. Jacqueline got the title again in 2000 but she held it briefly for two months and was not featured much. Closely related is her slightly insulting run with the Cruiserweight Championship in 2004 – which only lasted twelve days. Jacqueline will go down as one of the best women to ever wrestle in WWE. She had many great matches, against men and women, and will surely be in the Hall of Fame one day. On paper she has a very decorated career with three WWE title reigns to her name. But in execution it’s a little less amazing.

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The next woman of colour to hold WWE gold was Jazz. This was another girl who was a victim of ‘the system’, but found a way to make it work anyway. Jazz had no problems being pushed as a monster heel and she was brilliantly effective. She and Trish Stratus recreated the classic ‘beast vs beauty’ feud that Nakano and Blayze codified in the 90s – and Jazz is widely credited with helping Trish become the accomplished Diva she is today. WWE seems to be the odd place out in Jazz’s career – as it was the one company where she never had a face run. Make of that what you will. It’s not as if the company didn’t want Jazz to be a star; she was a two-time Women’s Champion and competed at two WrestleManias in a row. Unfortunately repeated injuries derailed her momentum and she was released two years later. Gail Kim became the first woman of Korean descent to hold the title in 2003. If you don’t remember it, we’ll forgive you. She won it in her debut, was champion for five weeks, then abruptly buried and turned heel – and would do nothing of note before her 2004 release. She would do even less in her second run with the company. Again look at how it seems on paper. The first Korean champion holds the belt for five weeks and does not get pushed as a star.

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So what about the actual stars in WWE? Trish Stratus and Lita are the most notable. But even they were victims of ‘the system’ too. Look at a picture of Trish pre-modelling career or really right now. Her time as a model and WWE Diva featured her with a bronze tan and bleached-blonde hair. Effectively this downplays her Greek roots and makes her look more Anglo. Lita too had Mexican ancestry and naturally dark hair – but she is more recognisable as a redhead punk rock chick. In both cases this image tweak worked – and both women became icons. The same is true for the women that came close to being stars in the post-Lita and Trish era. Mickie James and Melina are notable in that both women come from ethnic backgrounds, and both had those downplayed in WWE. Mickie is part Native American (the Powhatan tribe to be specific) but was otherwise presented as white – and didn’t acknowledge her ancestry on TV until shortly before she left. Melina meanwhile is Mexican-American but competed entirely under her first name. Her last name is Perez and she’s fluent in Spanish, but this was never acknowledged on TV. Other women with Latin backgrounds have historically downplayed them in WWE. Tough Enough winner Nidia Guenard (Puerto Rican) adopted the gimmick of a redneck from the Deep South. Shelly Martinez (Mexican-American) portrayed Ariel, a gypsy-turned-vampire on ECW. Candice Michelle (German-Costa Rican) was likewise presented as Anglo and eventually lightened her hair when she was pushed as Women’s Champion. Lisa Marie Varon (Turkish-Japanese-Puerto Rican) was mostly used as enhancement talent. Eve Torres had a similar deal to Melina and suspiciously had her last name dropped around the time she won the Divas’ Championship. Ivelisse Velez claims she was forbidden from dyeing her hair from blonde to brown – because that would make her look too Hispanic (ironically while competing as ‘Sofia Cortez’, being billed from Puerto Rico and with a reggaeton entrance theme). This in stark contrast to someone like Rosa Mendes who, despite being born in Canada, is billed from Costa Rica and given the archetypal ‘Spicy Latina’ gimmick. On the Asian side, WWE have never had more than one Asian Diva in the company at a time. Gail Kim was the girl from 2002-2004, Hiroko from 2004-2005, Lena Yada from 2007-2008 and Angela Fong from 2008-2010. Notably Angela was not on the main roster while Gail Kim re-joined the company from 2008-2011 and they were not on the same brand for very long when she was called up as ‘Savannah’. It’s also worth noting that a current NXT backstage interviewer is half-Japanese but has light brown hair and the Anglo name ‘Devin Taylor’.

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Notice the photoshop to make her skin lighter.

Throughout the post-Lita and Trish era, the other women pushed included Beth Phoenix, Maryse Ouellet, Michelle McCool, Kelly Kelly, Natalya and Kaitlyn – all blonde and white by the way. The year 2010 did see two Divas of colour holding titles in the company. But the Jacqueline and Gail Kim effect strikes again. Alicia Fox, the first African-American Divas’ Champion, held the title for a mere fifty six days – and would be abruptly buried not long afterwards. To this day, while she’s had the odd push, she’s never regained that kind of prominence. Layla held both the Women’s Championship and the Divas’ Championship but still was presented as a co-holder with Michelle McCool. It’s worth noting that once Layla started getting pushed, she always wore her curly hair straight. And also, once Michelle was gone from WWE, it was obvious that they had no intention of pushing her on her own. She may have had a second Divas’ Championship run, but she frequently missed Raw for weeks at a time and did not get anything resembling a push. Who were WWE pushing instead? AJ Lee. Even the barrier-breaker herself is still affected by ‘the system’. AJ’s surname is Mendez and she’s Puerto Rican, but she was otherwise presented as a white geek girl. What’s more is that she only gained her FCW last name ‘Lee’ once she had established herself as a bankable star. The name in question could belong to any number of ethnicities – which is probably what WWE was banking on, in the hopes of appealing to multiple demographics.

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At this point, you’re probably all going “big deal right?” and mentioning the diversity in the division. Well yes there are ethnic women in the company. But you’ve heard of the concept of tokenism right? A token minority is there to represent racial diversity – effectively appealing to that racial demographic, while not alienating the white majority. So the minority is there to meet a quota and nothing else. The one with the most focus will still be the one from the majority. This is most egregious in the case of Naomi. I remember when she was first signed, and Diva Dirt columnists praised WWE for hiring a black Diva who was notably darker than Alicia and Layla. When she was on NXT season 3, she was held up as a future star. Beautiful looks, natural athleticism, likability, decent promo skills and adapting quickly to wrestling. Sure she didn’t win the contest but she was bound to make an eventual impact, right? Well she didn’t debut on the main roster until over a year after the contest. All her other less-experienced contemporaries – Kaitlyn, Aksana, Maxine – had already been brought up. And she was put in the role of a dancing valet, not wrestling until nearly a year later. WWE didn’t even start putting her in the ring regularly until she became a member of Total Divas. While she’s gotten plenty of matches, it seems curious that this year was only her first lengthy Divas’ Championship feud. And they had to turn her heel to push her, despite her being tailored to a babyface role. Even last year, when AJ had to abruptly leave for a few months, WWE opted to not put the title on Naomi – with whom AJ had been feuding for months – but on Paige, who had already begun a new storyline on NXT. The question is definitely there. Is it simply because they didn’t feel Naomi was a big enough star? Paige did have a pre-existing fan base and was beloved by smarks (and this was a time when the internet was beginning to turn on AJ). But then again Naomi was also reasonably known as part of Total Divas, and had already been feuding with AJ. It’s not as if nobody knew who she was. The more idealistic suggestion would be that Paige was the more bankable Diva. The more cynical would suggest it’s because she was white. Again, all this could very well be just a coincidence. After all, no one will deny that Trish and Lita were ridiculously good at what they did – that’s why they connected with fans after all. The same for Mickie, Melina and AJ. But when you add up all the above and have very little to counter it with – it does raise awkward questions.

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We’ve now gone through the Diva history without mentioning the big rhinestone-studded elephant in the ring. The former NXT Women’s Champion Sasha Banks. Half black and half German – and held up as one of the best young talents in America. I’d go out on a limb and suggest that Sasha Banks is the hottest property in women’s wrestling today. Was she a victim of ‘the system’ too? Yes, unfortunately. At first. She debuted on television in late 2012, not too long after Emma. Compare and contrast the speed with which they received their pushes. By the summer, Emma was a star and challenging for the NXT Women’s Championship. Sasha meanwhile was irrelevant. Just look at how long it took for Sasha to finally achieve the prominence she has now. These things take time of course, but look at her contemporaries. Charlotte won the title while still a relative unknown – and when she’d been written off as useless by many Diva fans. She steadily developed her respect while holding the title instead of before the win. Accomplished Irish Diva Becky Lynch debuted in July of last year and was already in the title picture by February – while many fans were complaining about how she didn’t have a defined character yet. Even Bayley was getting pushed as a top face a year or so after her debut. Even now when she’s the clear star of the division, ‘the system’ rears its ugly head. It’s quite clear that Charlotte is the one that was groomed to take the top face spot on the main roster. Sasha meanwhile was put in the odd team out with Naomi and Tamina, while Charlotte and Becky got placed with Paige in the obvious stars team. But Sasha continues to steal chants from Charlotte, Becky and Paige. And the question of her holding the Divas’ Championship should be *when* and not ‘if’. And this is a woman of colour we’re talking about. So we have to ask ourselves if Vince and his team still only think a Caucasian blonde or latte Latina can be bankable Divas. Paige after all fits neither of those bills and has enjoyed TV time if nothing else. She just had to prove she was bankable before she got it. Although her feud with AJ was a flop, fans still remained with her. And even if WWE insist on pushing Charlotte and hiding Sasha away with Tamina and Naomi – the fans will still stay with her.

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I mentioned above how the ‘Minority Show Ghetto’ has been disproven many times in the modern age. And that’s very true. Will Smith, Eddie Murphy, Samuel L Jackson and Denzel Washington are some of the biggest actors in Hollywood today – outside of black cinema. The Disney Channel typically cancels its shows after they’ve hit 65 episodes, but That’s So Raven was popular enough to break that – and gained a successful spin-off too. Other shows such as Kenan & Kel, Sister Sister, The Wire, Empire and of course The Cosby Show all feature minority casts and were successful. Sasha is not the only minority woman to do well in mainstream wrestling. Although Gail Kim had a disappointing run in WWE, she became a clear star in TNA. And let’s not forget the success of Kia Stevens – better known as Awesome Kong or Kharma. It’s safe to say that, had it not been for her pregnancy, she would have become a star in WWE too. So even if Jacqueline and Alicia only held their belts for the blinks of an eye, that still doesn’t stop them from being the first black female titlists in WWE. After all Hattie McDaniel was the first black actor to win any kind of Academy Award – and she did so for playing a Mammy character. Indeed this kind of thinking is the subject of the play Fetch Clay, Make Man in which Muhammad Ali mocks Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry for his embarrassing past as ‘Stepin Fetchit’ – an uncomfortable caricature of black stereotypes. Perry then snaps at Ali “I snuck through the back door so you could walk through the front”. Indeed Perry was the first black man to become a millionaire celebrity in America. In the developmental system, the times look to be changing too. WWE have just acquired Japanese sensation Kana (now renamed Asuka) as well as the ridiculously talented Adrienne ‘Athena’ Reese from the indies. Arab-Canadian Diva Jasmin Areebi has reportedly been planned to be a positive Arab character (her recent controversy aside). Time will tell of course but I certainly feel raw talent will cancel out any racial bias with how NXT’s women’s division has skyrocketed. Once upon a time, Vince McMahon thought only a Playboy cover-girl could draw crowds. Times have changed slightly and the only way to go is up, correct?






  • Kalkofen

    I’m grasping for words right now, Bobby. I’ll find them eventually, but I’m just blown away by how detailed this article is and the amount of examples outside of the business to support your narrative on top of all the knowledgeable facts about many of the divas you mentioned, some of which I had no idea about.

    • Bobby Calloway

      Thanks very much for reading, I really appreciate it. I’d steadily heard and read all these little bits about the women over the years but it wasn’t until yesterday that it all went click. I forgot to mention Jasmin Areebi though and by account, the company had plans to make her a positive Arab-American character. I think NXT does look to be changing things from a race perspective too

  • Ridley

    Why are you using Damon Gupton as an example of a white actor taking an Asian role (when Noah Ringer’s native American heritage didn’t crop up until months after The Last Airbender film was released and thus adds to your point)?

    • Bobby Calloway

      Mainly because Katara and Sokka are the leads and played by white actors, whereas Gyatso is a smaller role and played by a minority. But I didn’t make that picture; I just found it interesting how it compared the original ethnicities to the ones in the live action. And then again black actors tend to be more successful than those of other ethnicities. There have been plenty of black Divas but few Asians or those of lesser seen races. Usually the token minority will be someone black because that’s considered ‘close enough’ in terms of diversity. But that’s really a whole other topic lol

  • G.I.R.L.

    Immaculate. One issue: you can’t be half a race and half a nationality/ethnicity. I say this due to Banks’ “half black, half german” heritage. She’s racially “half” white and “half” black, one of her parents was black american while the other was white german (which isn’t exclusive to only whites) but she herself is American. I’d say she’s ethnically German-American (not technically fair considering she isn’t an immigrant) but she herself doesn’t identify with any German cultures.

    This article was a great read and I’m glad you shone light onto something that needed to be witnessed.

    • Bobby Calloway

      Apologies for the mistake and thanks for reading

      • G.I.R.L.

        LOL no need to apologize. It’s an easy mistake that I used to make too. Again, thank you for the article. It all needed to be addressed and you did so elegantly.

  • Woman

    Notice the photoshop to make her skin look lighter? Lmao, that’s called a tan. I’m cracking up. LMAO if you think Trish is naturally dark.

    • Bobby Calloway

      It’s actually not uncommon for magazines etc to use Photoshop to lighten people’s skin tones -- it’s happened to Rihanna and Beyoncé (and she’s rumoured to bleach her skin anyway). As I said, I’ve seen pictures of Trish before she was in modelling and she is slightly darker than she was in WWE. She looks more ethnic with brown hair and more Anglo with blonde. And I looked at quite a few photo shoots compared with in-ring stills. In the latter, she’s using an orange tan. Presumably because a natural one would have made her look more ethnic. And in some of the shoots, her skin looks like it has been lightened. It may not be an overt attempt to make her look more Anglo, but is it a coincidence that in modelling she became successful by going blonde and changing her very Greek sounding last name to Stratus? Whether you think she’s been photoshopped or not is up to you, but it looks that way to me

  • InsaneHippy #SlayMe #NaoMob

    Great read. You can’t deny the racial undertone wwe has set amongst who getting push in the divas division and how they get push ….but as mention they do it cause it appeal to wider audience ….someone in TV once said ” don’t blame us it’s not our fault America is racist”….that statement is true…America has to change its view point in order for other races to prevail but at the same time wwe could be one of the first to try to change the way America think… I highly doubt they will tho..they are not going to change their “system”… Here to wishing Naomi at least become diva champ …someday

    • Bobby Calloway

      Well it does look as if NXT is changing the system. It took Sasha a while to get there but she got it. Big E Langston was NXT Champion too. And I’m positive that Athena will be a future champion at some point. Not sure on Asuka, as there’s talk that as she’s in her early 30s she may be used more as enhancement talent. Vince eventually did change his philosophy on trading the upper titles between Cena, Orton and Triple H -- so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Sasha could be Divas’ Champion soon. Although Charlotte’s been getting the push, they’ve still treated Sasha pretty well -- she’s the only one of the NXT Divas who hasn’t been pinned since the call-up

      • InsaneHippy #SlayMe #NaoMob

        I agree without NXT a lot of the talent wouldn’t be were they are today. NXT have set the stage for new talents to showcase exactly what they can do… I have no doubt that Sasha will be a big star in the main roster… there’s no way Vince can deny her talents epecially with a huge following behind her…Vince haven’t change much in my opinion, he may have stop the bigger titles being traded between those three and certain body types but the same things you were staying about the divas can be hold true for the world heavyweight championship…. Seth Rollins real name is Colby Lopez which is more Latin but he’s portrayed as a white male. A black male have yet to hold that title and even though some may consider The Rock to be black because he’s is half black, his Samoan heritage was always push more by WWE, also an European male have yet to hold the title , Wade Barrett has always been vocal about trying to be first European to become the world heavyweight champion… because of NXT I’m confident Neville can get that accolade.. and I can only hope Uhaa (Apollo Crews) can become world champ as well as Big E in the future and also Hideo Itami for the Asian demographic… I’m happy Athena will be able to showcase her talents to her full extend on NXT and maybe she can get a great following behind her so Vince can also push her when she comes on the main roster, hopefully she doesn’t get the Naomi treatment where everyone was so high on her in the beginning but have yet to get the title.. I’m excited for Kana/ Asuka but I agree she may be use as enhancement talent but at the very least thankfully there’s someone to represent the Asian demographic in the Diva division, hopefully she will be the one to take the NXT title from Bayley, when it time for Bayley to go to the main roster

        • Bobby Calloway

          I forgot to mention Sami Zayn too, since he’s of Syrian descent and his last name acknowledges it. Yeah I’ve seen the endless debates about whether The Rock ‘counts’, kinda similar to how there was debate as to whether Barack Obama counted as a black president because he had Irish heritage or something. I would love for Big E to be world champ too, I definitely think he has potential to do so -- even if his run on the main roster hasn’t been completely smooth. I think Athena is one of those who will become instantly over and will get a title push within a few months -- and I’m nearly foaming at the mouth at the thought of her vs Sasha one day :D I may be biased but I hope Finn Balor becomes the first European champ hehe ;)

          • InsaneHippy #SlayMe #NaoMob

            LOL…I completely forgot about Finn!! I agree!!

  • BAMFactor

    SLAY BOBBY!

    • Bobby Calloway

      Thank you kindly. I wondered where my number one reader was ;)

  • Bobby Calloway

    Just want to say thank you to all of you for your comments. I always love hearing your opinions and feedback. :)

  • Kyle

    Absolutely phenomenal piece of writing. So dead on. So poignant. Thank you.

  • Big Poppa

    Loved this read.. I’ve been very vocal about this. I think in a way, Vince’s vision of what a diva’s champion should look like has rubbed off on a lot of fans. It amazes me how ppl deny Naomi’s talent.. “She’s not ready” “her character sucks” “she can’t wrestle” “she doesn’t deserve the title” are just a few of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen ppl say. I’ve even seen a few comments saying she’s ugly. Yet, they love NIKKI’S Ass & boobs. Naomi is not only one of the most athletic divas, but I personally think she has the best body (not that that matters), she’s beautiful, humble, & her character could definitely bring in a certain demographic audience that don’t see wrestling as “cool” anymore…. Only because they don’t see anything they could relate to. I love Team Bad & I feel they’re the most entertaining group along with New Day & The Wyatt Family. I feel like they should be booked almost as a female Shield.

    While WWE is trying to do this whole Divas Revolution.. They aren’t solely focusing on what we want to see, which is great woman’s TALENT in that ring.. Which is obvious because… Where tf is Nattie? If they want a true “revolution”… Focus on talent over looks.. Talent over backstage politics.. I’m ending it here cause I could keep going lol.

    • Bobby Calloway

      Exactly. When they say she isn’t ready, how on earth is she supposed to get ready? Trish and Lita weren’t ‘ready’ for their first titles either -- but they still developed into top Divas through consistent matches and character development -- as well as other workers helping them improve. While I feel Naomi would be better as a babyface champion, she’s definitely a better worker than she’s given credit for. To me she has always sounded very natural on the mic and always comes across as feisty without being too bitchy -- something which Paige and Charlotte could take notes of. We could wonder all day about why Nattie hasn’t ever got a second title run but we’d probably give ourselves headaches hehe. But thanks very much for ready, I do appreciate it :)



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